Wednesday, November 27, 2013

Troll Follows KaKreep into Re-Opening Old Thread to Stir Shit

Quick update...

More shit-stirring by KO and her minion...

The Power of Stupid Trolls Who Seek Attention

They (Kathryn O & Kapoop the Kreep) went in and replied to an old thread to get other members upset. That is their goal after all, isn't it? To stir shit. They're just not content to leave anyone alone.

So the post there by creepy old hag bag KO and the claim to be able to cause people harm is still a thing she thinks she's got going on. Read closely, that's exactly what she's hinting at. Still her "powers" are as lame as she is while she continues to try to "disrupt and distress" people on a daily basis. No wonder she has enemies!

If Rahil is seeing this, my best advice is to not rise to their bait.

89 comments:

  1. Nobody has to destroy her or do anything, she does it to herself. Her whole spiel about George having chats with her (although on MPL she's just babbling about going into "herself" and experiencing "dimensions") we all know she has claimed numerous times to have chats with George Harrison, and her trying to create her drama and propaganda of fear that someone is trying to "kill her" is just more of her stupid drama queen, attention whoring trolling.
    Like I said, nobody has to do anything...she does it to herself.

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  2. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=87875

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    1. I really thank Rahil for his posts! They keep bitching and throwing their temper tantrums around and come off as the privileged jackasses they are while trying to pin that rap on Rahil! Bunch of KO Kool-Aide drinking TROLLS!

      I totally get Rahil's message and I am SO glad someone finally speaks out against those sons of bitches who lick KO's cannibalistic ass!

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    2. I totally AGREE with Rahil! Why are people so fucked in the head that they only see THEIR precious little egoes while innocent beings suffer and die? Oh yeah that bunch of narcissistic dickweeds are way more important than everyone else. Pshaw! It's ALL about them, never about another being. They're just so wrapped up in their cesspit of fanatic worship of a celebrity that most of them will never even meet! They'll gladly post about his ass, nipples, hair, anal openings and all manner of creepy shit that stalkers like KO indulge in, but man oh man, someone brings up facts about the horrible injustices going on in the world - better shut that up because if they have to THINK about something, then they'd have to DEAL with it and pink little pampered princesses just can't put anyone else ahead of themselves!

      Their time will come. Oh how I will celebrate when their shit gets right caught up to them! Where will their Queen Troll KO be then? Hopefully in prison.

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    3. You all need to realize that not everybody at that message board worships KO's ass so stop talking like we all do. Not all of us at that board talk about his ass, nipples, hair etc...

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    4. yeah but none of you, save Rahil, has the balls to step up to her time and again. silence is just as supportive of nonsense.

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    5. People have stepped up to her, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Rahil in this case isn't saying anything other than the case for animal rights. I'm not sure where you get the idea that anyone accused YOU personally of anything. I'm sure the minions referred to here are KO's minions, that would be Robert Macs, NancyR, Kapoop. People who have actively trolled and caused a lot of problems in the name of their Troll Queenie KO.

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  3. How do you know what I've done over the past few years? Rahil isn't the only one that has given her a smack down. Your lot is just as judgemental as she is sometimes to people who are on your side, but you don't really seem to care and show your thanks for it. You just accuse them of being KO as you've done in the past. Way to get people on your side!

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    1. for one, your name is anonymous so we dont know who the fuck you are for any claim to fame. LOL.

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    2. You just proved my point I was making above, you want people to help you in your fight/cause yet you start doing stuff like that. You are anonymous as well, so why can't I be? Why should I have KO and her minions coming after me as well by splattering my name all over?

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    3. what the fuck cause are you talking about? who do you think you are talking to? I think you have me confused with someone else.

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    4. Wow you are really friendly aren't you?

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    5. Wow, why are you so defensive? I'll say it again; Not sure where you get the idea that anyone accused YOU personally of anything. I'm sure the minions referred to here are KO's minions, that would be Robert Macs, NancyR, Kapoop. People who have actively trolled and caused a lot of problems in the name of their Troll Queenie KO.

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  4. silence is just as supportive of nonsense.

    You cannot accuse me or any other people here of being "silent" in the face of the Drama One. We're just not saying much on MPL because of the mercenary who runs that site. GH.com did the smart thing if you ask me.

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  5. you want people to help you in your fight/cause yet you start doing stuff like that

    If your version of "helping" is to get all the incoming aimed at us, yeah sure we're gonna take issue with that. I don't know how many times people who know the situation have tried to outline things clearly and have always been shut out because it didn't mesh with all these other people's ideas and with how they think they've got it all figured out.

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    1. Not sure what happened but I figure someone is buttsore about something. I don't recall anyone saying anything against people who dislike KO. It's her minions we don't care for. How did that translate into us asking for help and then doing stuff "like that"...um what exactly is it that we were supposed to have done? Defended Rahil? Agree with him about the facts of mass murder to innocent animals? Why should that mean we're all baddies now because of that? I just don't get it.

      Still wish KO was no longer allowed access to any communication devices. Same goes for her minions. I didn't name any names. So whoever is chiming in with this stuff needs to take a chill pill.

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    2. Not sure if I know what happened but someone apparently took issue with the latest update here and some following comments. Perhaps it was Rahil they have an issue with? Or anyone defending Rahil? But no way in hell has anyone ever said anything against others who also know what a bully/stalker/pathetic pos KO is.

      There have been misunderstandings but why do we always have to bear the brunt of it? I think these random commentors just misintrepret many things without even asking before just flying off like that.

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  6. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749464&highlight=#2749464

    I'm absolutely all for saving an insect before saving that piece of shit KO.

    And still...the word "than" cannot be used by the Drama Queen.


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749612&highlight=#2749612

    Evil = KO.

    I can't believe that she is playing a race card! Black-hearted is an actual term and not racist at all! But that's KO still trying to distract people from the real issues of the debate. Even funnier that she of all people would call rascism on anything. I guess she can't remember all the remarks about black women being "welfare queens" and all the other lovely names she called them through the years. Including the N word.


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749613&highlight=#2749613

    Yet KO specializes in insulting people all the time. Go figure her preaching against herself LOL!

    And folks, KO was NEVER vegan, she never belonged to any groups like that and she certainly NEVER joined PETA. KO = lying liar.

    See how she repeats the SAME vegan food items over and over again whenever she can post the name of the two measly food items to make herself look like a real know-it-all. Trying to sound like she lived it. Even a vegan of 6 months could name over a dozen dishes! She was never vegan. Never happened. She's a constant liar though.


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749619&highlight=#2749619

    KO is not for real! More lies and more bullshit flying from her sickening keyboard! KO was never in any "movement" for godsakes!

    And here is where she goes completely overboard with her so-called greatness;

    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749623&highlight=#2749623

    So now she's converted more people to veganism "then" [sic] MOST people! Right. KO's little teeny tiny world that consists of her and the very few who are brain dead and like eating shit.


    And the real kicker;

    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749630&highlight=#2749630

    LOL why is she even bringing up MFM anyway? We all remember her diatribes about Stella who also promoted MFM.
    For those who missed it, KO accuses Stella McCartney of personally insulting her and has devoted countless threads to the badgering of Stella on MPL and other forums.

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    1. that walliebaby Jen Dodge is another big jackass

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    2. TRUE! Yeah I forgot about that shithead. She invites people to talk to her and get their opinions and experiences and then turns around and proves she's as pyscho as her ilk.

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    3. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750081#2750081

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  7. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749817&highlight=#2749817

    She's a phony yeah yeah yeah, she's a phony


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749825&highlight=#2749825

    She's a phony yeah yeah yeah, she's a phony, and a big fat liar too, yeah yeah yeah!


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749826&highlight=#2749826

    ooh look! KO now desperately tries to lie about being vegan again and names some other food item!
    hmm, methinks she's been reading comments here but we already know that she's a phony, yeah yeah yeah! She's a liar yeah yeah yeah!


    Somewhere in that vegan thread the stupid bitch even claims to have saved more animals than Rahil! What a phony! Yeah yeah yeah!

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    1. asshole is always an expert
      not
      http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=86980&start=45

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  8. LOL
    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2749882#2749882

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  9. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750042#2750042

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  10. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750034&highlight=#2750034

    Goddamn, KO just tries to make it sound like she knows thousands of vegans! In reality she probably only knows OF two or three. None of whom actually have anything to do with her.


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750138&highlight=#2750138

    In that case, KO has lost every argument since she's been breathing.


    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750152&highlight=#2750152

    All her excuses she calls "valid" and then tries to name one that is SO lame that it implodes in on itself!! Rahil didn't hijack the thread and even if he were off-topic, killing animals over that is NOT valid or sane.

    Then here's the real narcissist showing through:

    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750131&highlight=#2750131

    KO calls her LAME excuses as "legitimate and beautifully illustrated"...wow. Just wow. How self centered can one be?? Animals being butchered, KO don't get along with some vegan and suddenly THAT becomes the center of the universe! Because SHE has a problem. Tsk.

    Little VAIN bitch!

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    1. little?? LOL
      you mean BIG, FAT, UGLY, VAIN BITCH

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  11. that Susy is such an asshole.. damn..
    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2750969#2750969

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  12. why doesn't this asshole KO just get lost?
    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751181#2751181

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  13. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751171&highlight=#2751171

    KO is pathetic!

    Rahil's reply, genius and geniune!

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  14. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751264&highlight=#2751264

    Does this stupid ignornant bitch ever stop making an ASS of herself?

    She ALL CAPS shouts that she has a "valid excuse" still harping on someone's attitude from her conflicts with people. Which she has a lot of by the way, but the excuse is still very lame!

    KO is all "IT HAPPENED TO MEEEE! SOMEONE INSULTED ME AND NOW I HAVE THAT AS A NICE LITLLE FALL-BACK EXCUSE TO NOT BE VEGAN HAAA!"

    WTF? It's always all about her, isn't it.

    It's kinda like she's saying she can't stop killing people because someone's words or actions didn't mesh with her murderous ways.

    And this "Plus, the fact that you have to hijack a thread about alternative health to spout your views just to get an audience" O.O um, I fail to see her so-called "facts" because Rahil didn't hijack anything and why would it matter if she's so militant about killing anyway? Plus the FACT that if he did hijack a thread, she's posting her filthy shit all over it with her drama and whining about what a martyr she is! Good grief.

    Then there's this hilarious shit "I mean real vegetables: Not potatoes. Not beans. Not green beans. Not squash. these are not vegetables" ... LOL! Is she like just totally retarded or what? And she's supposed to work in a food store? Maybe she should try more LSD so she can claim that Bananas and Apples are not fruit.

    And the whole shit about KO's supposed master skills of the English language when she tries to tell Rahil that the word Nobly doesn't exist and he hands her ass to her CROW TURD PIE! HOORAH for Rahil! Thank YOU, sir! Love your posts Rahil! Keep up the great stuff! Watching the troll ruin herself is mighty hilarious!

    Rahil: "just because something happened to your ego due to some 'vegan' long ago, does not make it any valid excuse to eat animals!"

    AMEN!!!!

    Show that narcissistic bitch for the EGOMANIAC she is! Also Stu, who she calls a dictator, bullying, cop lover, etc. is a meat eater. But she still crams them bacon cheeseburgers down.

    Amazing she wants to ridicule Rahil for having no pets. Um did she ever stop to think that some people live in such places that might not allow pets? Oh of course not! That would mean she'd actually have to THINK about someone else BESIDES her favorite of all subjects... HERSELF!

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    1. BWHA HA HA! Stupid stalking bitch tries to tell Rahil that the word "nobly" doesn't exist and she was the FIRST one to use it there! The even funnier thing is that while she used a word that she thinks doesn't exist, she of course misspelled it too!
      Fucking hilarious shit. What a stupid troll and an even dumber piece of shit.

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    2. fucking asshole, always has to shit up something with some personal shit.
      Rahil gives it to her properly LOL
      http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751988#2751988


      simplyrahil wrote:
      http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reasons-why-meat-eating-cant-be-considered-a-personal-choice.html

      5 Reasons Why Meat-Eating Can’t Be Considered A ‘Personal Choice’
      by Sharon Seltzer
      August 16, 2012
      9:43 pm

      Written by Robert Grillo – Founder of Free From Harm

      Of all the convoluted rationalizations for eating meat in an age when eating meat is not at all necessary for our survival or health, many people today are borrowing a popular slogan I like to call “the personal choice self-deception.” It goes something like this: “My decision to eat meat is a personal choice.” And it is usually followed by a statement sympathetic to their vegan and vegetarian friends, acknowledging that they too are making personal choices that are right for them. Sounds great on the surface, but it’s what lurks beyond the surface that I find deeply disturbing for five key reasons.

      Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reasons-why-meat-eating-cant-be-considered-a-personal-choice.html#ixzz2n6T4FTGP

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      Post edited to conform with copyright forum guidelines


      =>KO: I have heard these same arguments used to deny women birth control.
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      simplyrahil:
      you gotta be really degraded in thinking and appreciation for life to actually compare the senseless killing of animals with whomever is denying birth control.

      comparing the denying of life to innocent animals by cutting their throats with pools of blood to something about sex life.


      seriously.

      go check your head.

      seriously.


      i am not discussing whomever is denying birth control on this thread.
      if you have issues with that, go start a thread on it.

      HIJACKER

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    3. Go on you, Rahil! I loved that reply to KO's shit post. Just because someone might use the same argument to "deny" some stupid condom to somebody doesn't mean it's the same. In this case, the animals have ALREADY been given birth to !
      WTF and she's the last person to worry about getting knocked up. Believe me. Anyone who gladly hand her a box full of condoms so she doesn't reproduce! That gene pool of hers needs bleach poured into it! Like by the gallons!

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    4. Meant to say either "good on you" or something like "Go you, Rahil", but it came out wrong :P

      Also meant to type that anyone would gladly hand her a box...

      Been a long day.

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  15. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751912&highlight=#2751912

    LOLOLOLOL!!!!

    Such a liar. For someone who claims to know all things Paul/Linda, she sure is clueless on MUCH of everything about them despite trying to tell people she listened to "their music" while in "college"!

    KO never went to college and is a High School dropout. As for some lava lamp, yeah who cares? Not that I'd believe her story about that either.

    To further illustrate her so-called know-it-all-but-knows-nothing of Linda's career...

    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2751522&highlight=#2751522

    So much for her "crush" just so she can have another opportunity to parade around her so-called bi-sexuality...which she is not btw. KO hates women and only goes after men like the famous ones because she can't maintain a relationship with a real person or anyone who doesn't seem able to adhere to her delusional shit.

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  16. For the stupid bitch KO.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nobly

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  17. http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=87961

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    1. Amen to Rahil! KO is a slime of the utmost. KO is an INVASIVE thing to everyone and everything. There's a name for what she is...EVIL Piece of SHIT!

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    2. Well KO is into vore and cannibalism, so her fucked-up topics she posts don't surprise me even though her aim to disgust me and cause loathing is still quite ongoing.

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  18. asshole KO
    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2753079#2753079

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    1. Agreed. She is an asshole. Major asshole. Also

      http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2753200&highlight=#2753200

      Yes KO it IS creepy. Really, staring at a photo of Paul is rather tedious and with the time you're sucking up electricity to stare at an online pic, you could be doing something constructive. Which will never happen, we know :(

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    2. simplyrahil
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      New postPosted: 12-17-2013 01:35 PM Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post
      Kathryn O wrote:
      simplyrahil wrote:
      HAHAHAHA
      2 'vegan' meals a day while eating meat the rest of the time is 1 step forward and 10 steps back!
      you very well know that you eat burgers, and animals in various forms.


      Tell that to the MFM movement. 10 steps back? Hardly.
      (and your correction of my grammar shows you have no thing to offer but a lame argument).


      all YOUR 'arguments' are LAME.
      it is always about some excuse to eat animals.
      i don't have to 'tell that to the MFM movement'. i already stated clearly that this MFM thing is a farce and helps nothing, because it has just caused complacency in the face of real issues of animals being killed every second due to people like you who want to make excuses every step of the way to keep eating their flesh.

      and my correction of SPELLING (not GRAMMAR in this case. learn the difference.) is due to your constant annoying misspelling of certain specific words, so it must be pointed out because it's an eyesore every time.


      Kathryn O wrote:

      and yes, you convert no one. Deal with that.


      haha, you know nothing.





      Kathryn O wrote:
      simplyrahil wrote:
      hahahaha

      i don't care??

      hahahaha


      that's your problem. and a problem with veganism in general. Wow.



      no, it's the world's problem. not just mine.
      because you fill your face with animals' flesh, any time, doesn't matter when or how much, you are part of the problem.
      the problem isn't veganism. the problem is that you are not a vegan.
      (oh yeh, why again? because 'boo hoo, some vegan treated me funny oh so long ago, boo hoo, mummy, i will continue to eat animals because the big bad vegan made me cry Laughing ). LAME!


      Kathryn O wrote:

      instead of acknowledging that I eat two environmentally sound vegan meals a day, you scream and b*tch about the one that isn't.



      haha, folks, isn't that pretty standard of her to use the words 'scream and b*tch' when someone is confronting her on issues?
      Laughing
      her favourite catch words of defense. Laughing

      those '2 meals' you claim to have per day makes no difference because you still pay for the death of animals everyday with the rest of meals you consume which has flesh in it.
      are you trying somehow to say that the burger-eaters (like yourself) are helping the planet and animals in spite of all the destruction they caused, 'just because they have lettuce inside the bread with the burger'?
      Laughing

      the 'difference' is not about how much vegan meals one eats!
      it is about not eating animals' flesh!
      if you pay for and consume ANY amount of animal flesh, you ARE part of this problem.
      YOU can 'scream and b*tch' how much ever you like on here, but the facts are the facts, and you have to swallow that.



      Kathryn O wrote:
      the facts speak for themselves.

      did you know that goats can be raised in areas where crops can't be grown due to poor soil and lack of water for growing common plant foods?




      leave the innocent animals alone!

      they are not here for you to stuff your stomach with!

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    3. Kathryn O wrote:
      Now, do you have anything to say about invasive species? do you even know anything about the topic of this thread?


      yes, i know how it feels when you invade a thread and try to 'scream and b*tch' when i state facts that you don't want to accept Laughing




      KO wrote:

      bet my meals are more environmentally sound then your.



      HAHAHA
      'thAn' thAn thAn
      can't you get that? Rolling Eyes



      KO wrote:

      (imported foods...lots of fruit which actually takes a huge amount of water and isn't that good for you anyway. things that require constant heating? I eat lots of cold foods for the environment)



      HAHAHAHA
      you sound like you need some fruit.

      keep fooling yourself about what a 'hero' you are 'for the environment'. but you aren't fooling the environment nor those who really know the truth.

      and what makes you figure that i consume 'a lot of imported foods'?
      just because i live in the Caribbean?
      dude, the world imports from us.


      KO wrote:

      It's not stale or lame.


      yes it very much is.

      KO wrote:


      It's the truth you can't face....antagonist like this are a detriment to the movement.


      hahaha, YOU are the one who cannot face the truth.

      you keep going on about 'movement'.
      dude, i have told you many times before, stop making this real issue something about some 'group'.
      this is about animals who are having their throats cut every second that YOU keep making excuses to buy and full your guts with their flesh.
      this is not about any 'movement'.
      the only 'movement' this is concerning is you moving your ego and selfishness from 'extreme' to 'low setting' and realizing you are wrong.


      KO wrote:

      With your "I don't care", you have shown that basically you don't really care. about the animals, the environment or anything.



      tsk tsk
      i never said ' i don't care '

      this is what i posted- " i don't care?? "

      see the QUESTION MARKS? " ?? "
      know what those " ?? " mean in a sentence?

      it means it was not a statement but a QUESTION.

      " i don't care ?? "

      which was in response to saying that i don't care.

      anyone with grade 1 grammar knowledge would understand that.
      but sorry, i forgot for a second who i am dealing with, so i should be prepared to literally 'read and spell' a lot of things.


      KO wrote:

      (and better for the animals too as I actually take care of some)



      HAHAHA
      just because you have some 'pets' makes you no help to the real issue of countless animals having their throats cut due to you paying for their flesh.
      one pet (who you have to feed other animals' flesh to anyway!
      though you might say 'oh i feed him/her vegan food' Laughing) doesn't magically negate the other vastly deeper crimes of being responsible for paying for the killing of millions of other animals of other species.

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    4. simplyrahil
      With A Little Luck


      Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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      New postPosted: 12-17-2013 02:18 PM Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
      kapoo wrote:
      What is all this ‘check yourself eh’ and ‘fill your face with animal flesh’, ‘cut throats’, ‘animal flesh flesh flesh’ stuff?



      what is it?
      it's what is going on every second.


      kapoo wrote:

      They’re like ‘oh any SANE person wouldn’t eat animals’ ?? lol


      exactly
      it IS insane to kill and eat animals.
      especially after one knows the pain and suffering they go through, which everyone here knows by virtue of all that has been posted for ages now and from what Sir Paul himself has been exposing.


      kapoo wrote:

      ok so everyone on earth basically completely insane in your mind..


      so what? because millions of people are doing something insane or wrong doesn't make it insane or wrong?

      quantity of wrong doesn't justify said wrong.




      kapoo wrote:
      the stuff is embarrassing to read.



      yes, it's embarrassing that people who know what goes on still continue to fund it and eat of it.


      kapoo wrote:

      any SANE person wouldn't spend so much energy banging the same drum at people who obviously do not respect them.



      as long as i am part of this board and anyone states anything against the animals, i will use my right and ability to defend the animals.
      the disrespect being given towards them has to be dealt with and that is what i have been attempting to do.
      whatever KO or you come with, you can rest assured i will deal with it.

      the animals' murders are no joke or light issue.
      they are voiceless and vegans are their voice.





      kapoo wrote:

      in fact that in itself is basically the definition of insanity; making the same mistake, expecting different results..



      that's what the human race does when they claim to 'care for the environment' while stuffing their faces with burgers.
      being insane and dishonest too.



      kapoo wrote:

      Total lack of respect for other posters.


      killing and eating animals is a total lack of respect for the hundreds of species being murdered every second.
      this is the 'cosmically conscious' section. this section is for dealing with that.



      kapoo wrote:

      There’s nothing wrong with eating invasive animals. Or any animals for that matter IMO, in moderation.



      yes there is something wrong.
      it is totally wrong.
      no animal wants to be murdered. that alone makes it wrong to kill any of them.
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      simplyrahil
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      New postPosted: 12-17-2013 02:19 PM Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post
      Kathryn O wrote:
      simplyrahil wrote:
      .
      and you with this repeated bla about 'who convert who and how many' is really stale now.
      .
      You haven't realized that your four or five sentences you keep repeating have long ago been stale?




      obviously it would seem 'stale if it is in response to YOUR repeated staleness.
      if you keep coming with the same staleness, what do you expect in response?

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      It's all you said to anyone else who talks to you too anywhere in the forum.

      Do you have an argument against eating invasive species?

      Oh, and please read the first two of these logical argument rules:

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      yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals


      a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill'


      you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.

      Rolling Eyes

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      Rahil, may I ask why one needs to be Vegan to truly care about animals?!
      I am vegetarian..I have been for 19 years. I will not use any products that have been tested on animals..if I am unsure, I will not use them. I don't wear leather, suede or wool (wool makes my eyes itchy!!) & I donate to numerous animal charities. I don't have the room for many pets, but I have a dog, 2 birds & 9 fish.
      While I am not vegan, I don't eat eggs or honey. I eat cheese & drink milk though..
      How exactly are you more of an animal lover than me just by cutting eggs, dairy & honey out of your diet?!
      What makes a vegan more significant to the environment than a vegetarian? Surely, if we feel the same (that flesh shouldn't be eaten/ that animals are murdered for their flesh) we are equal regarding saving the planet?!

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    7. simplyrahil:
      THIS IS WHY. THIS IS HOW. funding these atrocities against cows, calves, chickens, baby chickens and bees is not LOVE for any of them -



      http://www.humanemyth.org/happycows.htm

      "In order to maintain uninterrupted milk production, cows are forced year after year to go through an endless cycle of pregnancy and birth, only to have their calves immediately taken from them. Cows and calves cry out for each other as they are separated.

      All forms of dairy farming involve forcibly impregnating cows. This involves a person inserting his arm far into the cow’s rectum in order to position the uterus, and then forcing an instrument into her vagina. The restraining apparatus used is commonly called a “rape rack.”

      Half of all calves born are male. Of no use in milk production, they are sent to veal-producing operations or directly to auctions where they are sold and slaughtered when they are just a few days old. Male calves used for veal production suffer a crude castration process and are killed after 4 months spent in small crates or pens.

      After just 4 to 6 years, dairy cows are “spent” from being forced to continuously produce milk. Often weak and ill, they endure transport to auction and slaughter, both of which are traumatic for these gentle animals. If allowed to exist free of exploitation and slaughter, cows can live 25 years or more. "


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    8. that covers some of the reasons why you are contributing to the murder of cows and calves as just a 'vegetarian'

      NO LOVE there at all


      as for eggs -


      http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html

      "

      "Free-Range" Hen


      • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.

      • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying cycle).

      • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing slaughter when considered “spent” (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast enough pace).

      • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.

      • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply because they can’t lay eggs.



      Battery Cage Hen


      • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.

      • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying cycle).

      • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing slaughter when considered “spent” (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast enough pace).

      • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.

      • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply because they can’t lay eggs.
      "

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    9. Some animal rights organizations have made tremendous strides in educating the public about what exactly occurs in battery hen operations. They have exposed the ugly truth, such as tens of thousands of hens crowded into long, poorly ventilated, completely dark sheds, fully automated feeding and egg collecting systems, filth, death and suffering. The recognition of how horrible the short lives of “battery hens” are has led many people to stop contributing to this atrocity by simply not buying those eggs. Unfortunately, many other people have looked to so called "Cage-Free/Free-Range" eggs as an acceptable and humane alternative.

      Sadly the public is led to believe that "Cage-Free" hens live a happy, natural life. This is simply not so!

      "Cage-Free"/"Free-Range" hens come from the same hatcheries that battery hens come from, all of their brothers are killed by suffocation or being ground up alive, the girls themselves endure the same bodily manipulations and mutilations, and they ALL ultimately end up at the same slaughterhouses when their "production" declines.

      I am often asked "Don't you think it is still better that people buy 'Cage-Free' eggs rather than battery produced eggs if they are going to buy eggs anyway?" I feel the person actually wants to believe that their consumer dollar is not paying for someone else to commit animal abuse, when in fact it is – no matter what production means were used.

      It is like asking if I think strangulation is better than suffocation. My answer is: Neither is an acceptable option. There is simply NO way to humanely produce eggs for human consumption.

      First, I would not want anyone to buy "Cage-Free" eggs if they are doing so because they have compassion for the animals and convince themselves that they have made a humane choice.

      One of the most destructive things we can do for the animals is to lie to ourselves, or allow ourselves to be fooled an misinformed into believing that animal agriculture of ANY kind is humane.

      Second, the so called "Cage-Free" or "Free-Range" eggs are produced with an exorbitant profit margin in comparison to battery produced eggs. Therefore, well meaning consumers will be unwittingly padding the already thick pockets of egg producers, hatcheries, and poultry slaughterhouses, which will only allow them to increase the size of their operations and advertising budgets, which will in turn lead to even more suffering.

      Third, the question forgets the most obvious choice: Don't buy eggs at all. Once people allow themselves to entertain the possibility of living egg-free, it's quite empowering. They suddenly realize that Yes! It can be done. Millions of people before them have cut eggs and products made with eggs out of their lives and are doing just fine! Not only vegans, but millions of people from other cultures don't eat eggs.

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    10. Why there is no such thing as "humane" egg production on ANY scale, no matter how small – in a nutshell.

      The most important and most overlooked ethical aspect of human consumption of hens' eggs is that, for every egg laying hen at the farm, a rooster chick has been murdered at the hatchery.

      No matter where the egg production facility is, what its size is (large farm or backyard operation), and no matter what the 'visible to the public' conditions are, the egg-laying hens are obtained from the same hatcheries that kill the baby rooster chicks at only one day old. If the "free-range" farm hatches its own chicks, two important questions still remain.

      1. What happens to ALL of the male chicks - not just few token roosters - but ALL of them?

      2. What happens to the hens when they are no longer laying enough eggs for this facility to be profitable?

      If the spent hens and ALL of the roosters were allowed to live out their lives until they died a natural death - chickens can live well over a decade - then that farm would soon have thousands of "spent" hens and roosters to care for. Obviously, the lifelong care of all of those birds, at all stages of a natural life span, would cut severely into any profits made by selling the eggs of younger hens.

      So what happens to ALL of the boys? And what happens to ALL of the "spent" hens?

      Hens are generally considered spent by egg-laying facilities at one to two years — meaning, the farm then has to provide predator-proof shelter, food, veterinary care, etc. for that same hen, for another decade. The roosters will require dozens of separate yards, predator-proof shelters, food, vet care, etc. for their entire lives.

      In order to make a profit, the numbers simply don't add up unless the inevitable killing of roosters and spent hens is occurring. "




      http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/free-range-organic-meat-myth/

      http://www.humanemyth.org/mediabase/1049.htm

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    11. you CANNOT be funding any of this (by paying for and consuming of it) and still honestly state that you are 'a lover of animals'.

      paying for the abuse and murder of cows, calves and chickens/chicklets is not LOVE.




      as for honey -


      http://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/whats-wrong-with-eating-honey/

      What’s wrong with eating honey?


      "Unfortunately, like factory farmers, many beekeepers take inhumane steps to ensure personal safety and reach production quotas. It’s not unusual for larger honey producers to cut off the queen bee’s wings so that she can’t leave the colony or to have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version of the factory farm “rape rack.”

      When the keeper wants to move a queen to a new colony, she is carried with “bodyguard” bees, all of whom—if they survive transport—will be killed by bees in the new colony. Large commercial operations may also take all the honey instead of leaving the 60 pounds or so that bees need to get through the winter.
      They replace the rich honey with a cheap sugar substitute that is not as fortifying. In colder areas, if the keepers consider it too costly to keep the bees alive through the winter, they destroy the hives by pouring gasoline on them and setting them on fire. Also, bees are often killed or have their wings and legs torn off by haphazard handling.

      According to the Cook-DuPage Beekeepers Association, humans have been using honey since about 15,000 B.C., but it wasn’t until the 20th century that people turned bees into factory-farmed animals. Happily, many sweeteners are made without killing bees: Rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, Sucanat, barley malt, maple syrup, cane sugar, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can replace honey in recipes. Using these will keep your diet bee-free.


      Read more: http://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/whats-wrong-with-eating-honey/#ixzz2nlJjj7of "






      clayer_jackson wrote:

      What makes a vegan more significant to the environment than a vegetarian? Surely, if we feel the same (that flesh shouldn't be eaten/ that animals are murdered for their flesh) we are equal regarding saving the planet?!



      as you have seen, the dairy industry IS the beef and veal industry, so by funding the dairy industry a 'vegetarian' IS funding the very same murder of cows and calves that those who would claim to 'love animals' and be 'against their murders' say they are against..


      as for the environmental aspect, the same thing applies because the same 'rearing' and killing goes on whether the product you buy is the beef/veal or MILK/DAIRY.

      this is a fact.



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    12. The Environmental Argument

      Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

      Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels

      Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs a meat-free diet: 3 times more

      Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75

      Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85

      Number of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million

      Amount of meat imported to US annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds

      Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75

      Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet

      Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year


      whether the 'product' you purchase to consume is beef or cheese or milk, this is what you contribute to:



      https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1043911_10152936027675314_1671381368_n.jpg


      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GyTzbIWlJ3c/T3v5RfY-i1I/AAAAAAAAB7w/TGR1zjKYzbg/s640/perfectworld.jpg


      even more info on the environmental impact of 'dairy farming'
      http://organic-center.org/reportfiles/COFEFFinal_Nov_2.pdf




      but it should not even have to come down to 'selfish reasons' as the environment to stop funding the abuse and murder of innocent cows, calves, chickens, et al..

      it should be just about them wanting to live without threat of any violence to them and us respecting that.

      so no, 'vegetarian' is not enough if one wants to really be acting against abuse and murder of animals.
      there is no love in cheese, milk, eggs and honey.
      only violence and bloodshed.

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    Don't you DARE judge me & say I don't love animals just because I am 'only' a vegetarian. Seriously, who made you the VEGAN GURU of the world?! KO is correct, 100%. You are doing nothing to promote veganism. I will become vegan, when I have researched all my options, but I will NOT be asking you for advice!!!
    I asked you a simple, innocent question but you have bombarded me with offensive images. I know ALL of this already but you have not answered my question..
    This is all JUST YOUR OPINION, not actual fact!!! I adore animals..they are my life..I don't need a jumped up 'know-it-all' spouting tripe & trying to make me feel bad for eating/ drinking dairy!!!
    If you chose to READ my whole post, instead of jumping on the defensive & hurling abuse, you would have seen that I don't eat eggs or honey.....so your 'lectures' on eggs & honey were a waste of time!!!!!
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    you asked about all that you got the answer to!

    yes, they are offensive images of the offensive truth

    THIS is what you pay for as a dairy-consuming 'vegetarian'!

    deal with the truth

    shouting at me doesn't change that you are funding this


    deal with it by being vegan

    every cent you pay for this is not LOVE

    the only reason you are shouting is that you know you are guilty

    the facts are there

    'vegetarians' pay for all of this murder


    yes, you said YOU don't consume eggs or honey, but you did ask
    "How exactly are you more of an animal lover than me just by cutting eggs, dairy & honey out of your diet?!
    What makes a vegan more significant to the environment than a vegetarian? Surely, if we feel the same (that flesh shouldn't be eaten/ that animals are murdered for their flesh) we are equal regarding saving the planet?!"

    so i gave you your answer!


    so shout at yourself!


    you don't adore cows or calves or would not be paying for their murder!

    you see what you pay for, so your excuses to prolong paying for this murder of cows and calves contradicts your dishonest statement about 'adoring' etc.

    it does not add up!

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    simplyrahil wrote:
    kapoo wrote:
    What is all this ‘check yourself eh’ and ‘fill your face with animal flesh’, ‘cut throats’, ‘animal flesh flesh flesh’ stuff?



    what is it?
    it's what is going on every second.


    .
    but you're screaming it at the wrong people.
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    simplyrahil wrote:
    yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals


    a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill'


    you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.

    Rolling Eyes
    biblical commandments mean nothing to me. I am a polytheist and they only allow me to worship a diety I'm not fond of.

    also, thou shall not kill, but then goes on in Leviticus and Deuteronomy about killing all sorts of folks being okay like gays and all sorts of girls
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      simplyrahil wrote:
      yes, all of the above and all else stated always against killing animals


      a 'commandment' for you - 'thou shalt not kill'


      you should be the last person showing anyone anything about 'commandments' (re: that link you posted), especially anything to do with 'logic', etc.

      Rolling Eyes
      Personal insults, the refuge of one who has no real argument.

      What I showed you was valid and you just violated the first rule.
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      Cows aren't an invasive species. that's what this topic is about.
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      Off-topic posts have been removed from this thread and may now be found in the Vegan vs. Non-Vegan Debates thread beginning here:

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      The purpose of this thread is to discuss "what is wrong with eating invasive species."

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      Kathryn O wrote:
      Cows aren't an invasive species. that's what this topic is about.



      the reason cows came up on this thread is because you were announcing yourself as some 'environmental hero' which you are not.
      the evidence was that you eat various other animals' flesh, including cows' flesh, and this is how the environmental issue was shown to you.

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    clayer_jackson wrote:
    Don't you DARE judge me & say I don't love animals just because I am 'only' a vegetarian. Seriously, who made you the VEGAN GURU of the world?! KO is correct, 100%. You are doing nothing to promote veganism. I will become vegan, when I have researched all my options, but I will NOT be asking you for advice!!!
    I asked you a simple, innocent question but you have bombarded me with offensive images. I know ALL of this already but you have not answered my question..
    This is all JUST YOUR OPINION, not actual fact!!! I adore animals..they are my life..I don't need a jumped up 'know-it-all' spouting tripe & trying to make me feel bad for eating/ drinking dairy!!!
    If you chose to READ my whole post, instead of jumping on the defensive & hurling abuse, you would have seen that I don't eat eggs or honey.....so your 'lectures' on eggs & honey were a waste of time!!!!!


    Don't let Rahil turn you away from the cause, clayer_jackson. Wink

    I'm also a vegan, so feel free to ask any questions you might have. I promise that there will be no judgments on my end! It'a a big decision to take such a big step, and we all had tons of questions when we started. When and if you decide to go vegan, you'll find some hardships (mostly from family and friends who don't get it Laughing), but the benefits are worth the hassle. Wink
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      "and we all had tons of questions when we started. "

      no
      not for me

      just 1 question - is an animal being hurt with this?
      yes, cows and calves are abused and murdered.

      and there, give up dairy/milk as simple as that.

      if one claims to 'love animals' then that should be the only concern about going vegan, and the answer is no secret.

      animals are hurt and murdered due to people remaining 'just vegetarian' IN SPITE OF all the exposure (all you saw on the previous pages and elsewhere) that is going on to show that milk and dairy is murder.


      don't let Jen make you feel it is ok to pay for the murder of cows and calves..
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      Do you really want to scare away someone from veganism who has questions about how to begin, how to get the required vitamins and nutrients, what sorts of recipes they could try? This thread isn't labeled "Rahil's Opinions," it's a thread about the benefits/differences between the vegetarian and vegan lifestyle, and you've just insulted someone who was curious about becoming a vegan. Good job. I'm dying to see what you do for an encore.
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      walliebaby wrote:
      Do you really want to scare away someone from veganism who has questions about how to begin, how to get the required vitamins and nutrients, what sorts of recipes they could try? This thread isn't labeled "Rahil's Opinions," it's a thread about the benefits/differences between the vegetarian and vegan lifestyle, and you've just insulted someone who was curious about becoming a vegan. Good job.




      hahaha
      fooling yourself

      those things were covered when audi asked that a few pages back

      claire's only mission on here (based on her words and attitude) were just to come and make a scene.

      in spite of being shown the reality, she had a bitter attitude (see her words) and this is not someone who was 'curious about becoming vegan', but someone who came to 'stick up for their buddy' as per the facebook group that YOU ALL like to discuss the latest about 'what rahil tell her this time' (ooh we mustn't speak about that on these parts... the mod police will come knocking on our door!)

      Laughing

      if anyone is actually 'curious about becoming vegan' they would not fight down and fight with the facts and exposure being shown on these pages.

      they would instead see it for what it is and GO VEGAN.

      your getting in the way and pretending to be some 'advocate' is helping nothing because you are just making them all feel like it is fine to continue on this path of eating animals or drinking their secretions despite all the horrors involved.


      how the heck is it i 'insulted' someone?
      i stated the damn facts.
      CONSUMING DAIRY IS PAYING FOR THE MURDER OF COWS.
      THAT IS A FACT.

      IT IS AN INSULT TO THE COWS TO STAY QUIET ABOUT THAT.

      'VEGAN' Rolling Eyes

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      I don't think there's anything anyone who isn't you will ever say to convince you of anything, as many in this and other threads have tried. I stopped posting in here because of that fact, but when I saw someone asking an honest question get attacked, I stepped in because I'd like to help newbie vegans, not attack them. Carry on, though. You're doing a great job of...whatever it is you think you're doing.
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      walliebaby wrote:
      I don't think there's anything anyone who isn't you will ever say to convince you of anything, as many in this and other threads have tried. I stopped posting in here because of that fact, but when I saw someone asking an honest question get attacked, I stepped in because I'd like to help newbie vegans, not attack them. Carry on, though. You're doing a great job of...whatever it is you think you're doing.



      how the heck is it i 'attacked' someone?
      i stated the damn facts.
      CONSUMING DAIRY IS PAYING FOR THE MURDER OF COWS.
      THAT IS A FACT.

      she asked something and i showed her the evidence with a clear answer.
      how is that 'attacking'?

      if you all are so sensitive, why isn't that sensitivity applied to those innocent cows and calves who are abused and murdered?
      what's the hesitation about?

      don't blame me as an excuse (whomever this applies to) to not change.
      the facts of what happens to these animals are there staring you all in your faces. you are adults.
      your choosing to blind yourselves from all the stated pieces of evidence and proof of what goes on against these innocent animals is YOUR chosen negligence. don't try blaming another adult (me) for YOUR lack of empathy and not doing something about it (going vegan).

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      simplyrahil wrote:
      walliebaby wrote:
      I don't think there's anything anyone who isn't you will ever say to convince you of anything, as many in this and other threads have tried. I stopped posting in here because of that fact, but when I saw someone asking an honest question get attacked, I stepped in because I'd like to help newbie vegans, not attack them. Carry on, though. You're doing a great job of...whatever it is you think you're doing.



      how the heck is it i 'attacked' someone?
      i stated the damn facts.
      CONSUMING DAIRY IS PAYING FOR THE MURDER OF COWS.
      THAT IS A FACT.

      she asked something and i showed her the evidence with a clear answer.
      how is that 'attacking'?

      if you all are so sensitive, why isn't that sensitivity applied to those innocent cows and calves who are abused and murdered?
      what's the hesitation about?

      don't blame me as an excuse (whomever this applies to) to not change.
      the facts of what happens to these animals are there staring you all in your faces. you are adults.
      your choosing to blind yourselves from all the stated pieces of evidence and proof of what goes on against these innocent animals is YOUR chosen negligence. don't try blaming another adult (me) for YOUR lack of empathy and not doing something about it (going vegan).


      Now hold on a minute, Rahil. Every time an innocent cow or calf has asked a question on this forum, I've been nothing but nice to them, so don't go saying that I'm not sensitive to their needs.

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    4. simplyrahil:
      can't you read properly?

      i stated 'whomever this applies to' (those who are not vegan who read all this and see all this evidence and do not do something about it).


      also, you forever never answer about this 'attacking' allegation you love to state in the midst of these posts on several threads that i post on on these issues.

      man up and state your basis for what the heck you are accusing me of.


      she asked something and i showed her the evidence with a clear answer.
      how is that 'attacking'?

      if you all are so sensitive, why isn't that sensitivity applied to those innocent cows and calves who are abused and murdered?
      what's the hesitation about?

      don't blame me as an excuse (whomever this applies to) to not change.
      the facts of what happens to these animals are there staring you all in your faces. you are adults.
      your choosing to blind yourselves from all the stated pieces of evidence and proof of what goes on against these innocent animals is YOUR chosen negligence. don't try blaming another adult (me) for YOUR lack of empathy and not doing something about it (going vegan).

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  22. walliebaby:
    I teach English, Rahil. Yes, I can read properly. I posted a silly reply to you because, as I stated before, it's very clear that you are incapable of listening to anyone's opinion but your own. As I said earlier, carry on in the destruction of this thread where apparently no one but you is allowed to make a point or be right.

    simplyrahil:
    and yet you still cannot state your basis for accusing me of 'attacking' someone



    how the heck is it i 'attacked' someone?
    i stated the damn facts.
    CONSUMING DAIRY IS PAYING FOR THE MURDER OF COWS.
    THAT IS A FACT.

    she asked something and i showed her the evidence with a clear answer.
    how is that 'attacking'?

    if you all are so sensitive, why isn't that sensitivity applied to those innocent cows and calves who are abused and murdered?
    what's the hesitation about?

    don't blame me as an excuse (whomever this applies to) to not change.
    the facts of what happens to these animals are there staring you all in your faces. you are adults.
    your choosing to blind yourselves from all the stated pieces of evidence and proof of what goes on against these innocent animals is YOUR chosen negligence. don't try blaming another adult (me) for YOUR lack of empathy and not doing something about it (going vegan).



    'be right'?
    are you 'vegan' somehow saying that there is a 'right' somehow in animals being murdered?
    because that is the only opposing 'view' on here.

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      :Lazy:

      simplyrahil:
      yes, you ought to make that :Lazy: permanent

      should have :Lazy: done that in the first place because you've contributed NOTHING on here but give some more behind kissing to your 'pals'
      and nothing about the issue itself

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      I favor the American Indian philosophy of eating...where they take from animal and plant life and mother earth with great reverance and humble thankfulness.


      CONSCIENTIOUS OMNIVORISM

      Would a Conscientious Omnivore be considered a Vegan or a Non-Vegan?




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      vegan means consuming nothing from an animal

      how would any type of 'omnivore' be considered a 'vegan'?


      and there's nothing 'conscientious' about eating animals, no matter the excuse.

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      SurSteven wrote:
      SurSteven wrote:
      I favor the American Indian philosophy of eating...where they take from animal and plant life and mother earth with great reverance and humble thankfulness.


      CONSCIENTIOUS OMNIVORISM

      Would a Conscientious Omnivore be considered a Vegan or a Non-Vegan?


      That would be a non-vegan, Sur Steven. Wink If you're eating animals (which omnivore suggests) you wouldn't be a vegetarian, either.
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      simplyrahil wrote:
      walliebaby wrote:
      simplyrahil wrote:
      and yet you still cannot state your basis for accusing me of 'attacking' someone



      how the heck is it i 'attacked' someone?
      i stated the damn facts.
      CONSUMING DAIRY IS PAYING FOR THE MURDER OF COWS.
      THAT IS A FACT.

      she asked something and i showed her the evidence with a clear answer.
      how is that 'attacking'?

      if you all are so sensitive, why isn't that sensitivity applied to those innocent cows and calves who are abused and murdered?
      what's the hesitation about?

      don't blame me as an excuse (whomever this applies to) to not change.
      the facts of what happens to these animals are there staring you all in your faces. you are adults.
      your choosing to blind yourselves from all the stated pieces of evidence and proof of what goes on against these innocent animals is YOUR chosen negligence. don't try blaming another adult (me) for YOUR lack of empathy and not doing something about it (going vegan).



      'be right'?
      are you 'vegan' somehow saying that there is a 'right' somehow in animals being murdered?
      because that is the only opposing 'view' on here.


      Lazy



      yes, you ought to make that Lazy permanent

      should have Lazy done that in the first place because you've contributed NOTHING on here but give some more behind kissing to your 'pals'
      and nothing about the issue itself


      Gosh, I'm starting to get the idea that you don't like me...

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      Animals eat plant life and animal life.

      Do plants have any rights?

      Are animals more important than humans?


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      I think I preferred when this drivel was in orange, at least I couldn't read it. That is a fact.

      I like to be educated not persecuted when I am learning about things.

      I am very sad to say, but I think your strategy is turning people off veganism which can't be your objective.


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      SurSteven wrote:
      Animals eat plant life and animal life.

      Do plants have any rights?

      Are animals more important than humans?


      All good questions, Sur Steven. Smile

      In reality, it's impossible to stay alive without killing something for our survival. In the case of the vegetarian or vegan, plants are eaten even though scientific studies have been conducted that show that plants may indeed have some level of intelligence.

      When it comes to whether humans are more important than animals or vice versa, I tend to put both groups on equal footing. Mark Twain in his last work, "The Mysterious Stranger," talked about the idea that animals are more intelligent than humans because animals would never consider torturing humans the way we torture animals, and that, to his protagonist, proved animals' superiority. However, I like to think that the idea of killing anything that has a face, as Linda put it, for my own benefit is barbaric, and isn't something I'm comfortable doing. People obviously have varying degrees of feelings towards the animal kingdom, but that's my view.

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    5. Plastic Soul Man wrote:
      I think I preferred when this drivel was in orange, at least I couldn't read it. That is a fact.

      I like to be educated not persecuted when I am learning about things.

      I am very sad to say, but I think your strategy is turning people off veganism which can't be your objective.



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    6. paulfan11:

      Thank you for your posts in here walliebaby. I'm not vegan but mostly vegetarian working on becoming full veggie and let me tell you, I'd much rather get advice from someone like you instead of getting yelled at and talked to like a little child. I find it much more helpful.

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      paulfan11 wrote:
      walliebaby wrote:
      SurSteven wrote:
      Animals eat plant life and animal life.

      Do plants have any rights?

      Are animals more important than humans?


      All good questions, Sur Steven. Smile

      In reality, it's impossible to stay alive without killing something for our survival. In the case of the vegetarian or vegan, plants are eaten even though scientific studies have been conducted that show that plants may indeed have some level of intelligence.

      When it comes to whether humans are more important than animals or vice versa, I tend to put both groups on equal footing. Mark Twain in his last work, "The Mysterious Stranger," talked about the idea that animals are more intelligent than humans because animals would never consider torturing humans the way we torture animals, and that, to his protagonist, proved animals' superiority. However, I like to think that the idea of killing anything that has a face, as Linda put it, for my own benefit is barbaric, and isn't something I'm comfortable doing. People obviously have varying degrees of feelings towards the animal kingdom, but that's my view.


      Thank you for your posts in here walliebaby. I'm not vegan but mostly vegetarian working on becoming full veggie and let me tell you, I'd much rather get advice from someone like you instead of getting yelled at and talked to like a little child. I find it much more helpful.



      whatever your excuse for stalling, don't make it someone else.
      the animals are dying while you find excuses to stall.
      it's an ok stunt to try on a messageboard to 'blame someone else' for not doing something (going vegan) about these atrocities (wonder what is really stopping you all - the addiction is so hard?), but in reality, it is your own choosing to ignore what is being stated, whether it is is a way that 'babies you' or in a way that shows you upfront what you're paying for and funding and hence perpetuating.

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      Animals eat plant life and animal life.

      Do plants have any rights?

      Are animals more important than humans?

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    8. Animals are certainly more important than the filth that call themselves "human" on that KO ass kissing board. Fact!

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  23. Okay, someone needs to edit these comments so they are easier to follow or just post links. But here we all agree that KO has her minion ass-lickers come in to say such stupidities as "100% right" when KO is nothing but a psychopathic bitch who is WRONG 100% and is a habitual liar to boot.

    KO also shows how incredibly stupid she is with her ongoing comments.

    White potatoes have just about every nutrient. Potatoes are actually the world's healthiest foods. So much for her saying that potatoes are real vegetables or good for you. She probably scarfs down 10 bags of greasy potato chips a day. Along with her Cheetos.

    Fruits are exceedingly healthy and VERY good for you! Especially for peoples who live in climates where the fruit grows. So her statements about fruit not being good for you is also another clue to how retarded she is.

    KO is so ignornant and shockingly stupid on the subject of food and she works in a food store!! My Gawd!

    And all these minions of hers are not even aware of her vore/cannibalism worship and she even says she's a hater of God (the Creator, the Father in Heaven, etc) and all because she is convinced that he should have killed those people that banned her from the Dirk Benedict site. Anyone remember her invading a Christian yahoogroup asking for their destruction? Well I remember that back in an earlier blog here!

    And poor Rahil, whose point about "invading species" went righ over the numbskull head of KO and her minons. The only point Rahil was making is basically how would these fucking bitches feel if THEY were invaded, and killed? Which is what she and her ilk are doing to natural domain of other species.
    But all they see is themselves. They cannot even see past their narcissistic need to make everything be ME ME ME!

    And KO, again displays all the traits of a true sociopath. KO is always trying to turn everything she is guilty of onto someone else. It's always someone else's fault. And there we see she got other sociopaths in training. Course, lots of scary people are in that Paul fandom anyway and there's already a good deal of creepy psychos like KO there anyway.

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    1. reason for no links is that the mods keep editing and moving things to other threads and all that jugglery

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    2. *meant to type "So much for her saying that potatoes aren't real vegetables or good for you" etc.

      Because I saw the post where she says potatoes are not real vegetables. Shit how stupid she is. But the only books she's read after reading Dirk Benedict's books, has all been about the Beatles and the only thing she gets out of them is her sick crap stories she posts embarassingly on the internet.

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  24. it is not a matter of animals being more important than humans, but a matter of animals having the right to not be murdered by humans.

    sure, all life has rights, including plants.



    there are naturally carnivorous animals as there are naturally herbivorous animals and then those in between/omnivorous.

    they live by the natural law of survival and instinct.
    not by factory farms, enslavement, greed, pumping other species with hormones, stealing babies from mothers, using hammers, knives and saws to kill 1000 times more than they need to survive, etc., etc.

    they kill just what they need for their survival based on their nature.
    a tiger is a tiger. a human is not.
    a human's digestive system is not made for flesh, nor is the external anatomy that of a carnivore.

    humans who consume animal flesh are not even 'omnivores' but really scavengers, because what they pay to consume are corpses really and not fresh, by bare hands, uncooked, raw flesh that a real carnivore or real omnivore would be consuming, straight from the kill (by own claws and teeth).

    no, humans have to add spices, vegetable seasonings, herbs, etc. to make the corpse somehow palatable to fool themselves that 'mm this is yummy'.
    a tiger doesn't need such trickery of the palate to consume any amount of raw, bloody flesh..

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  25. one might want to get spiritual about the rights of plants as plants cannot openly protest about being cut for food, so one might want to think on a deeper level.

    it depends on what spiritual path one may take knowledge from.

    my being vegan primarily has to do with my inner feeling and respect for life and being against pain, suffering and bloodshed.
    there are many atheists who also see this same bloodshed to be wrong and unnecessary and who are vegan as a result (which always makes me wonder why 'spiritual' or 'religious' folks [at least who call themselves such] cannot get it, as they ought to be more merciful than anyone who doesn't subscribe to the idea of God, etc.)


    according to the Vedic scriptures (which have the most detailed answers when it comes to the soul and all such transcendental matters - i say this having read various scriptures and comparing),
    yes, plants do contain a soul.
    life/consciousness means there is a soul within.
    a plant is alive enough to be considered conscious and hence a soul exists.
    and thus can feel pain (hence 'rights')

    however, in the material world, one being is food for another.
    and according to the type of material body a soul inhabits, there is food that is meant for that body (as i mentioned earlier about the natural carnivores, herbivores and omnivores).


    so yes, the taking of life is still 'sinful' whether it be the life of an ant, the life of an elephant, the life of a chicken, cow, goat, lamb or tree.

    not all vegetable-sourced food means killing a tree or plant.
    but, those humans who bring up plants/trees (not you but in general there are those who like to bring up 'oh you vegans are guilty of killing plants, plants have feelings, etc.) eat animals are far 'guiltier' about killing plants/trees because to feed the animals who are on death row, it takes much more resources of plantlife and water, etc., to feed these innocent animals who are later on slaughtered, when all that plantlife could have been used to feed countless hungry mouths worldwide.

    still, from the spiritual/soul perspective, yes, killing plants is also releasing the soul that inhabited the plant being.

    the Bhagavad-Gita states that in order to nullify such sinful, karmic reactions for taking such life from plants, one should offer the veg*n preparations (whatever one cooks that is veg*n) to the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna (according to the Vedic scriptures, Sri Krsna is the Supreme Lord), and then accept the remnants of such offering as the Lord's mercy.
    it is stated that the Lord nullifies the karmic reactions of killing the plant life (and any other life that was taken NOT ON PURPOSE - because other life forms would undoubtedly be harmed in the material world in harvesting, transportation, even to light a fire to cook or to breathe), and the veg*n food now becomes sanctified such that it is spiritually beneficial and not just physically.

    there is no other such delineated spiritual/soul perspective answer in any other scriptures that i have come across on such intricate topics, which is why i have offer this answer from that path.


    veganism is about doing the best one can do to not cause inconvenience to any other living being.

    so while one may not be able to avoid all violence (including to plant life), a vegan avoids as much as possible, with the sure avoidance of flesh, milk, dairy, eggs, for these are the main culprits in this horrific holocaust against animals..

    by cutting the funding by the increase of vegans (those who boycott murder) hopefully one day these industries will be shut down.

    right now, we have to keep sensitizing more and more people everywhere about the plight of the animals and to try to bring about this most-needed change on our planet.


    this killing affects not just the animals, but our planet on the whole, for everything is connected.
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    1. simplyrahil:
      humans' health is affected negatively by consuming of such bloodshed, flesh, and secretions of other animals, but sadly not even this seems to be a convincing enough point to sway more people away from consuming such..
      (the very violence, fear and other negative energies that 'climaxed' at being murdered, all go into this flesh and secretions, and is transferred to those consuming it, so it is no surprise that so much disease and madness is prevalent in human society if this is what the majority feeds on versus a more peaceful diet).


      anyway, the mission of being the voice for the voiceless continues.

      please consider all these points and tap into your conscience.
      go vegan.
      thank you.

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      New postPosted: 12-17-2013 10:24 PM Post subject: Reply with quote
      simplyrahil wrote:
      paulfan11 wrote:
      walliebaby wrote:
      SurSteven wrote:
      Animals eat plant life and animal life.

      Do plants have any rights?

      Are animals more important than humans?


      All good questions, Sur Steven. Smile

      In reality, it's impossible to stay alive without killing something for our survival. In the case of the vegetarian or vegan, plants are eaten even though scientific studies have been conducted that show that plants may indeed have some level of intelligence.

      When it comes to whether humans are more important than animals or vice versa, I tend to put both groups on equal footing. Mark Twain in his last work, "The Mysterious Stranger," talked about the idea that animals are more intelligent than humans because animals would never consider torturing humans the way we torture animals, and that, to his protagonist, proved animals' superiority. However, I like to think that the idea of killing anything that has a face, as Linda put it, for my own benefit is barbaric, and isn't something I'm comfortable doing. People obviously have varying degrees of feelings towards the animal kingdom, but that's my view.


      Thank you for your posts in here walliebaby. I'm not vegan but mostly vegetarian working on becoming full veggie and let me tell you, I'd much rather get advice from someone like you instead of getting yelled at and talked to like a little child. I find it much more helpful.



      whatever your excuse for stalling, don't make it someone else.
      the animals are dying while you find excuses to stall.
      it's an ok stunt to try on a messageboard to 'blame someone else' for not doing something (going vegan) about these atrocities (wonder what is really stopping you all - the addiction is so hard?), but in reality, it is your own choosing to ignore what is being stated, whether it is is a way that 'babies you' or in a way that shows you upfront what you're paying for and funding and hence perpetuating.


      Rahil just stop. I won't be responding or reading anymore of your posts because you'll only piss me off more and I don't anger easily.
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    ^
    Most humans and most animals do not torture.

    Some do.

    You can't imply that all of them do, just because...some of them do. Wink

    Most humans and most animals are good...animals aren't anymore righteous as a whole...than humans are.

    Have you ever studied what some male chimpanzees do to other chimpanzees?

    or, seen a polar bear eat a baby seal?
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      You're very welcome, paulfan11. Smile I've been a vegetarian for about 16 years now, and it took me a few years of that before I really felt ready to take the plunge into full veganism. Some folks tackle vegetarianism for health reasons, but for me it was always about the animals. However, I truly believe in the message and mission of Meat-Free Mondays, and in the idea that people should do what they can to pitch in and help the environment and the animals. You'll find a way to make being a full-time vegetarian work. Wink When you're ready to take the plunge, you'll know, and I have to say that I have never been happier with my meal choices than when I became a full vegetarian. Smile There's so much out there these days to help people not miss the meat (or dairy) that it's easier than ever to be a full-blown vegetarian. Thanks to pioneers like Linda and Paul and Linda's range of products, the market is full of healthy and tasty options!

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    2. paulfan11:
      Yes! Been finding lots if yummy options out there and they are doing such great fake meat that both veggies and vegans can eat. There is a vegan/veggie restaurant my friends and I have been eating at for years that serves some fake meat dishes that are really good.

      paulfan11:
      Rahil just stop. I won't be responding or reading anymore of your posts because you'll only piss me off more and I don't anger easily.

      simplyrahil:
      stop what?
      stop not babying you and the others who want to be pampered about eating animals instead of being told what it is directly they are paying for?

      sorry, no can do.

      ignore my posts, but you are only doing the animals an injustice.
      is your conscience alive?
      if so, you are doing it real harm by blaming me for subduing it.

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      SurSteven wrote:
      ^
      Most humans and most animals do not torture.

      Some do.

      You can't imply that all of them do, just because...some of them do. Wink

      Most humans and most animals are good...animals aren't anymore righteous as a whole...than humans are.

      Have you ever studied what some male chimpanzees do to other chimpanzees?

      or, seen a polar bear eat a baby seal?



      are you any of those?
      no

      humans aren't biologically anything but herbivores

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    4. HA ! Jen Dodge saying she's not easily angered?!! WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! She is such a fucking piece of shit. Another KO and that is a very twisted and sick thing! What an insidous pair they make.

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    5. says the actual psycho's friend 'claire o'connor'

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      This thread has received moderation.

      We kindly request that members please cease with bickering and personal attacks, and return to topic.

      Thank you.


      Am sorry, but where are my two posts?!
      I asked an innocent question & got disgusting images shoved down my throat..what exactly dis I say that needed moderating???
      This forum is becoming a joke. The innocent get gagged & the psychotic weirdos get to have their say, nomatter how insulting they are..
      In case you haven't guessed, I am livid.....

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    6. apparently the entire thread got deleted by that puppet moderator 'triplets love paul' (anita) who was the one who started the thread in the first place (assigning it as a thread begun by simplyrahil, to 'put all the off-topic vegan arguments in'. 'off-topic' as in what causes their queen KO to become worked up.)

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    7. Hmm strange snide little Claire would say that the forum is run by psychotic weirdos because KO does actually run that place in one way or another. Had to laugh at Claire's moment of enlightenment and still not seeing it herself.

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    8. well KO is ring and finger with CO...

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  27. Jesus Fucking Christ! These people are really something! SMH.
    They're saying they're being "attacked" which is the poisonous KO brainwashing going on there, all because Rahil said the facts about things. Attacked? Really? Those over-dramatized fuckwits sure have no concept of reality and it's no wonder they are easily roped into a "victim mentality" by KO because they all feed off their OWN meat which is rancid and psychotic! They eat out of each others asses!
    Hope they can stomach that shit when they find out that they're playing the sheeple to a very twisted dictator. And a FRAUD at that!

    Clue: KO is no long time Beatles/Paul fan since the dawn of their conception. Never was, and no matter how many lies she keeps repeating, it'll never be true.

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  28. Amazing. KO sits and bashes people day in and day out on her fb page, and on RMacs group of like-minded small minds, and has done so everywhere for YEARS but she nags on Rahil for losing some insane argument that she brought up? Um no, KO, you got it backwards...YOU lost the argument way a long time ago and just because you are not openly insulting him with your usual hateful libel on MPL doesn't mean that nobody knows that you are contradicting your own self.

    Get a grip and seek some professional help. Have your sick head examined for once in your pathetic life.

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